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grizzle 2nd March 2018 09:58 AM

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STARRAFT 12th March 2018 10:26 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil
1. This betting system operates on metropolitan meetings in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Adelaide on Saturdays.

2. The horse must be top weight in a handicap. So eliminate weight for age races, classic races, set weight races and set weight with penalties races.

3. The horse must have won over the track and distance.

4. It must have finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th. at its last run within the last 28 days.


I always take into consideration the clear top weight in a race. Then I sometimes lay, sometimes back, or just ignore.

IMO the filters above are too restrictive. I consider all local meetings. Performance at the track rather than track & distance. And first-up record, if resuming.

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STARRAFT 18th March 2018 10:13 AM

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grizzle 19th April 2018 07:18 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by STARRAFT
IMO the filters above are too restrictive. I consider all local meetings. Performance at the track rather than track & distance. And first-up record, if resuming.

sounds reasonable starraft & it looks like it's working for you

STARRAFT 21st April 2018 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by grizzle
it looks like it's working for you

Yep :)

STARRAFT 21st April 2018 09:54 AM

LOL
Keep laying gents :)

nutz 22nd April 2018 07:46 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by STARRAFT
I always take into consideration the clear top weight in a race. Then I sometimes lay, sometimes back, or just ignore.

I consider all local meetings. Performance at the track rather than track & distance. And first-up record, if resuming.


Hi STARRAFT.

Negative for me when they're drawn wide
A positive when ridden by claiming apprentice in form, or with some previous good results on the same horse

darkydog2002 23rd April 2018 11:02 AM

Like all these 1 horse a race systems .

Long term they only lead one to the poorhouse.

westineast 24th April 2018 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by darkydog2002
Like all these 1 horse a race systems .

Long term they only lead one to the poorhouse.

I have a number of "1 horse a race" systems in my armoury, so can have more than one bet in a race
Doing ok thankyou

TWOBETS 24th April 2018 07:00 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by darkydog2002
Like all these 1 horse a race systems .

Long term they only lead one to the poorhouse.



The bow you draw here Dark one is way too long. I've been living off punting for years now and I only have the ability to back one horse per race.

I believe you may not quite grasp the depth of angles one can approach this field. Just because one approach won't work for you, does not mean the subject has been exhausted.

stixNstonez 14th June 2018 05:49 PM

Did play around with Top Weights some time back. Mainly multiple betting. Had a number of filters, but best results came when restricting to those in the first four lines of the prepost market.

armchairjock 15th July 2018 07:20 AM

Use a number of filters when assessing the winning chance of a top weight
Won't divulge all but three key filters for me are
Distance up to and including 1400m
No apprentice jockey
UniTAB rating between 97 and 100

demodocus 19th July 2018 05:41 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by armchairjock
Use a number of filters when assessing the winning chance of a top weight
........ three key filters for me are
Distance up to and including 1400m
No apprentice jockey
UniTAB rating between 97 and 100


A sensible place to start.

Sprint race, established rider, AND two other Ratings agencies "rate" the horse.

Then you refine their estimates. If it works, why not.

CrazyHorse 12th September 2018 07:35 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by armchairjock
UniTAB rating between 97 and 100

A common element in a lot of my systems

shaun1993 25th April 2019 11:22 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by stixNstonez
Did play around with Top Weights some time back. Mainly multiple betting. Had a number of filters, but best results came when restricting to those in the first four lines of the prepost market.

Quote:
Originally Posted by armchairjock
Use a number of filters when assessing the winning chance of a top weight
Won't divulge all but three key filters for me are
Distance up to and including 1400m
No apprentice jockey
UniTAB rating between 97 and 100


Top Weight
In the first four lines of the prepost market
UniTAB rating between 97 and 100

darkydog2002 25th April 2019 12:41 PM

Thanks Shaun.

Will try it out.

Cheers,

STARRAFT 15th May 2019 08:25 PM

Clear top weighted horse down in class on previous start

darkydog2002 16th May 2019 03:27 PM

Hi STARRAFT,

Looks ok to me.

Thanks.

POSEIDON 9th June 2019 04:41 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by STARRAFT
I always take into consideration the clear top weight in a race. Then I sometimes lay, sometimes back, or just ignore.

Best horse in the race according to the handicapper, so yes, consider. However, the top-weight in a handicap is at a disadvantage, giving away weight. You need to consider the field strength. Just how disadvantaged is the horse relative to the field strength.

darkydog2002 9th June 2019 08:46 PM

True also.

Interestingly it was Warren Block who researched this factor and he was a non Bettor.

STARRAFT 13th June 2019 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by POSEIDON
You need to consider the field strength. Just how disadvantaged is the horse relative to the field strength.

Yep, already do this. Thanks.

STARRAFT 30th June 2019 02:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by POSEIDON
However, the top-weight in a handicap is at a disadvantage, giving away weight.

So you really don't want additional disadvantages. For the top-weight, also consider jockey pros & cons, suitability of race distance, barrier draw & likely speed map against the top-weights normal racing style.

kiwiz 6th July 2019 04:19 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by STARRAFT
So you really don't want additional disadvantages. For the top-weight, also consider jockey pros & cons, suitability of race distance, barrier draw & likely speed map against the top-weights normal racing style.

In my view also worth noting live weight v dead weight
The latter a disadvantage

Sands 8th July 2019 09:45 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiz
In my view also worth noting live weight v dead weight
The latter a disadvantage

Another reason to penalise for an apprentice ?

byanose 10th July 2019 08:17 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sands
Another reason to penalise for an apprentice ?

I wouldn't if the apprentice is riding well.

Sands 15th July 2019 12:42 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by byanose
I wouldn't if the apprentice is riding well.

Yep, that would work for me

justinfront 14th August 2019 10:51 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by byanose
I wouldn't if the apprentice is riding well.

fancied top-weight ridden by in-form apprentice - BONUS!


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