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Pixie

"It's worth remembering that profit isn't profit until it's spent off the racecourse." -- Crash

Here's one way to bet the top 5 rated, using estimated prices.

Bet 1.0 unit on the unders.

Bet 1.3 units on the overs.

Try & target races where the 3rd Fav in the live market, is 6.20+
This generally helps to avoid being confronted with constant short paying results, thus helping in the process towards showing a profit overall.

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Cheers.

Using 3-5 tipsters is a sound idea,
rather than using , say 10 tipsters.

I have noticed in the past that using say the 5 tipsters in the Herald seemed to deliver stronger priced results than say using the 10 tipsters in The Australian.

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Cheers.

Thanks Bhag's. There'll probably be a number of way's we can look at these ratings including ways I haven't envisaged.

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Pixie

"It's worth remembering that profit isn't profit until it's spent off the racecourse." -- Crash

Today concludes the trial in it's current form. Today's prices are a sneak peak at what I'll probably use when the Crowd Ratings return. I'd still take them with a grain of salt at this stage though. You'll notice that there's a more realistic spread of prices over the field. I've included a percentage next to each runner for ease of repricing the field in case of scratchings. The calculation of the ratings figure remains unchanged.

Hope you've found these of some use over the trial period. I'll post some of my reworkings during the month as I work out where (hopefully) the profit lays. I'd be interested to hear how you've used these numbers to date, if at all.

BLMT and TWBA to follow.

RHIL Race 1
1 100 37.4% $2.70
2 91 17.2% $5.80
3 --- --- ---
4 82 7.9% $12.60
5 89 14.5% $6.90
6 77 5.2% $19.40
7 80 6.7% $15.00
8 76 4.7% $21.10
9 60 1.2% $83.70
10 77 5.2% $19.40

RHIL Race 3
1 83 6.1% $16.30
2 --- --- ---
3 92 13.3% $7.50
4 94 15.8% $6.30
5 80 4.7% $21.10
6 99 24.4% $4.10
7 66 1.4% $70.40
8 100 26.6% $3.80
9 80 4.7% $21.10
10 70 2.0% $49.90
11 60 0.8% $117.90

RHIL Race 4
1 --- --- ---
2 67 1.9% $51.80
3 72 3.0% $33.70
4 77 4.6% $21.90
5 60 1.1% $94.70
6 87 10.8% $9.30
7 100 33.1% $3.00
8 --- --- ---
9 66 1.8% $56.50
10 100 33.1% $3.00
11 87 10.8% $9.30

RHIL Race 5
1 97 33.8% $3.00
2 100 43.8% $2.30
3 61 1.5% $65.70
4 89 17.0% $5.90
5 60 1.4% $71.60
6 67 2.6% $39.20

RHIL Race 6
1 60 1.6% $64.30
2 89 18.9% $5.30
3 64 2.2% $45.60
4 75 5.7% $17.70
5 100 48.7% $2.10
6 79 8.0% $12.50
7 68 3.1% $32.30
8 67 2.8% $35.20
9 65 2.4% $41.80
10 77 6.7% $14.90

RHIL Race 7
1 94 17.4% $5.70
2 72 2.6% $38.20
3 71 2.4% $41.60
4 100 29.2% $3.40
5 99 26.8% $3.70
6 91 13.4% $7.40
7 64 1.3% $76.10
8 73 2.9% $35.10
9 69 2.0% $49.50
10 62 1.1% $90.40
11 60 0.9% $107.40

RHIL Race 8
1 72 4.6% $21.90
2 70 3.8% $26.00
3 79 8.3% $12.00
4 83 11.8% $8.50
5 64 2.3% $43.60
6 --- --- ---
7 --- --- ---
8 85 14.0% $7.20
9 60 1.6% $61.60
10 --- --- ---
11 66 2.7% $36.70
12 --- --- ---
13 --- --- ---
14 100 50.9% $2.00

CAUL Race 2
1 88 11.7% $8.60
2 63 1.4% $73.60
3 85 9.0% $11.10
4 81 6.4% $15.60
5 60 1.0% $95.30
6 91 15.1% $6.60
7 91 15.1% $6.60
8 --- --- ---
9 76 4.2% $24.00
10 100 32.9% $3.00
11 67 1.9% $52.20
12 62 1.2% $80.20

CAUL Race 3
1 94 15.6% $6.40
2 86 7.8% $12.70
3 --- --- ---
4 89 10.2% $9.80
5 --- --- ---
6 100 26.2% $3.80
7 85 7.2% $13.90
8 95 17.0% $5.90
9 88 9.3% $10.70
10 60 0.8% $119.60
11 70 2.0% $50.50
12 68 1.7% $60.00
13 71 2.2% $46.40

CAUL Race 5
1 100 49.8% $2.00
2 --- --- ---
3 90 21.1% $4.70
4 66 2.7% $37.50
5 68 3.2% $31.50
6 --- --- ---
7 70 3.8% $26.60
8 60 1.6% $62.80
9 79 8.2% $12.20
10 81 9.7% $10.30

CAUL Race 6
1 79 6.3% $15.90
2 67 2.2% $44.70
3 87 12.5% $8.00
4 64 1.7% $57.90
5 60 1.2% $81.70
6 62 1.5% $68.80
7 67 2.2% $44.70
8 100 38.3% $2.60
9 71 3.2% $31.70
10 84 9.7% $10.30
11 72 3.4% $29.10
12 81 7.5% $13.40
13 66 2.1% $48.70
14 80 6.9% $14.60
15 61 1.3% $74.90

CAUL Race 7
1 75 2.9% $34.60
2 85 6.8% $14.60
3 94 14.8% $6.70
4 67 1.5% $68.90
5 94 14.8% $6.70
6 72 2.2% $44.80
7 100 24.9% $4.00
8 69 1.7% $58.00
9 81 4.8% $20.60
10 73 2.4% $41.10
11 86 7.4% $13.40
12 84 6.3% $15.90
13 60 0.8% $125.90
14 80 4.4% $22.50
15 70 1.9% $53.20
16 72 2.2% $44.80

CAUL Race 8
1 78 4.9% $20.20
2 81 6.4% $15.60
3 100 32.9% $3.00
4 62 1.2% $80.10
5 96 23.3% $4.30
6 --- --- ---
7 83 7.6% $13.10
8 75 3.8% $26.20
9 79 5.4% $18.50
10 60 1.1% $95.20
11 65 1.6% $61.90
12 65 1.6% $61.90
13 84 8.3% $12.10
14 66 1.8% $56.80

EFRM Race 1
1 85 10.5% $9.50
2 100 38.3% $2.60
3 86 11.5% $8.70
4 91 17.6% $5.70
5 88 13.6% $7.30
6 64 1.7% $58.00
7 68 2.4% $41.10
8 71 3.1% $31.70
9 60 1.2% $81.90

EFRM Race 2
1 60 1.6% $63.20
2 63 2.1% $48.80
3 100 49.6% $2.00
4 88 17.6% $5.70
5 73 4.8% $20.60
6 --- --- ---
7 85 13.6% $7.30
8 70 3.7% $26.70
9 60 1.6% $63.20
10 60 1.6% $63.20
11 70 3.7% $26.70

EFRM Race 4
1 86 10.5% $9.50
2 75 4.1% $24.50
3 100 35.1% $2.90
4 100 35.1% $2.90
5 75 4.1% $24.50
6 68 2.2% $44.80
7 --- --- ---
8 60 1.1% $89.30
9 76 4.4% $22.50
10 73 3.4% $29.20

EFRM Race 5
1 85 6.4% $15.60
2 90 9.9% $10.10
3 68 1.5% $67.30
4 88 8.3% $12.00
5 --- --- ---
6 81 4.5% $22.00
7 --- --- ---
8 80 4.2% $24.00
9 75 2.7% $36.90
10 99 21.4% $4.70
11 100 23.4% $4.30
12 93 12.8% $7.80
13 --- --- ---
14 80 4.2% $24.00
15 --- --- ---
16 60 0.7% $134.10

EFRM Race 6
1 96 15.5% $6.50
2 100 21.8% $4.60
3 86 6.5% $15.30
4 80 3.9% $25.70
5 80 3.9% $25.70
6 92 11.0% $9.10
7 89 8.5% $11.80
8 98 18.4% $5.40
9 71 1.8% $55.70
10 72 2.0% $51.10
11 70 1.6% $60.70
12 61 0.8% $131.80
13 66 1.2% $85.70
14 60 0.7% $143.60
15 64 1.0% $101.80
16 70 1.6% $60.70

EFRM Race 7
1 89 7.1% $14.10
2 93 10.0% $10.00
3 77 2.5% $39.60
4 86 5.5% $18.20
5 84 4.6% $21.70
6 100 18.3% $5.50
7 --- --- ---
8 --- --- ---
9 87 6.0% $16.70
10 83 4.2% $23.60
11 100 18.3% $5.50
12 94 10.9% $9.20
13 60 0.6% $171.00
14 95 11.9% $8.40

EFRM Race 8
1 82 7.9% $12.70
2 73 3.6% $27.60
3 --- --- ---
4 95 24.1% $4.20
5 --- --- ---
6 69 2.6% $39.00
7 --- --- ---
8 --- --- ---
9 60 1.2% $84.60
10 70 2.8% $35.80
11 68 2.4% $42.50
12 63 1.5% $65.40
13 87 12.1% $8.30
14 70 2.8% $35.80
15 100 37.0% $2.70
16 67 2.2% $46.30

MORP Race 6
1 60 1.2% $86.90
2 96 25.5% $3.90
3 --- --- ---
4 86 10.8% $9.30
5 68 2.3% $43.70
6 100 36.0% $2.80
7 83 8.3% $12.00
8 89 14.0% $7.20
9 --- --- ---
10 66 1.9% $51.90

MORP Race 7
1 91 16.1% $6.20
2 85 9.6% $10.40
3 75 4.1% $24.60
4 70 2.6% $37.80
5 78 5.3% $19.00
6 70 2.6% $37.80
7 88 12.5% $8.00
8 100 35.0% $2.90
9 76 4.4% $22.50
10 77 4.8% $20.70
11 --- --- ---
12 60 1.1% $89.40
13 65 1.7% $58.10

MORP Race 8
1 79 8.8% $11.40
2 100 53.6% $1.90
3 --- --- ---
4 65 2.6% $38.00
5 --- --- ---
6 --- --- ---
7 76 6.8% $14.70
8 72 4.8% $20.80
9 79 8.8% $11.40
10 70 4.0% $24.70
11 70 4.0% $24.70
12 65 2.6% $38.00
13 63 2.2% $45.20
14 60 1.7% $58.50

HAWK Race 2
1 100 58.1% $1.70
2 --- --- ---
3 90 24.6% $4.10
4 67 3.4% $29.50
5 67 3.4% $29.50
6 --- --- ---
7 78 8.7% $11.40
8 60 1.9% $53.90

HAWK Race 4
1 100 49.1% $2.00
2 90 20.8% $4.80
3 72 4.4% $22.70
4 90 20.8% $4.80
5 69 3.4% $29.40
6 60 1.6% $63.80

KILM Race 6
1 87 12.6% $7.90
2 91 17.8% $5.60
3 76 4.9% $20.40
4 92 19.4% $5.10
5 60 1.2% $80.90
6 70 2.9% $34.20
7 67 2.3% $44.30
8 --- --- ---
9 100 38.7% $2.60

GCST Race 1
1 60 1.6% $61.50
2 100 50.9% $2.00
3 91 23.4% $4.30
4 73 5.0% $20.10
5 81 9.9% $10.10
6 71 4.2% $23.90
7 73 5.0% $20.10

GCST Race 6
1 92 18.5% $5.40
2 100 36.9% $2.70
3 60 1.2% $84.90
4 81 7.2% $13.90
5 93 20.2% $5.00
6 74 3.9% $25.40
7 85 10.1% $9.90
8 66 2.0% $50.60

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Pixie

"It's worth remembering that profit isn't profit until it's spent off the racecourse." -- Crash

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Pixie

"It's worth remembering that profit isn't profit until it's spent off the racecourse." -- Crash

Any luck with how to apply this yet AP?

Out of curiosity, what are the sets of data are you using for this.
As I have had a look at yesterdays results and when they are put up against another set of ratings that I use there is a laying opportunity there.

Having said that, if the ratings that I am using are already in your "sets" of used ratings that would only amplify the ratings.

Have just re-read this and I hope it makes some sort of sense.
Anyhow, from yesterday there were 31 lay bets for 3 winners. All these bets were single figures in the market.
The winners were $4.80, $4.40, $1.90.

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Jose'.

Jose, just about to start looking at this. There's probably one very obvious way to use these which isn't too dissimilar to what you've suggested.


No secrets just the obvious three, Skyform, Tatt's and Neurals.


Nice, well if you feel like sharing

angrypixie123-propun at yahoo dot com dot au

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Pixie

"It's worth remembering that profit isn't profit until it's spent off the racecourse." -- Crash

... I'll be posting the Crowd Ratings once more this Saturday. Good to hear your creative ideas.

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Pixie

"It's worth remembering that profit isn't profit until it's spent off the racecourse." -- Crash

So this *IS* the last day. Not going to do a John Farnham.

Other venues to follow.

WFRM Race 1
1 71 4.5% $22.40
2 100 54.2% $1.80
3 71 4.5% $22.40
4 --- --- ---
5 62 2.1% $48.70
6 60 1.7% $57.80
7 91 25.0% $4.00
8 78 8.2% $12.30

WFRM Race 2
1 71 2.5% $40.30
2 --- --- ---
3 94 18.0% $5.60
4 96 21.3% $4.70
5 87 9.8% $10.20
6 100 30.1% $3.30
7 80 5.4% $18.60
8 86 9.0% $11.10
9 73 2.9% $34.00
10 60 1.0% $104.00

WFRM Race 3
1 87 14.1% $7.10
2 --- --- ---
3 75 5.0% $19.90
4 72 3.9% $25.80
5 81 8.4% $11.90
6 100 43.3% $2.30
7 79 7.1% $14.10
8 89 16.8% $6.00
9 --- --- ---
10 60 1.4% $72.40

WFRM Race 5
1 89 18.2% $5.50
2 64 2.1% $47.40
3 60 1.5% $66.90
4 77 6.5% $15.50
5 68 3.0% $33.60
6 65 2.3% $43.50
7 68 3.0% $33.60
8 88 16.7% $6.00
9 100 46.8% $2.10

WFRM Race 6
1 81 5.3% $18.80
2 100 27.3% $3.70
3 96 19.4% $5.20
4 95 17.8% $5.60
5 91 12.6% $7.90
6 91 12.6% $7.90
7 --- --- ---
8 60 0.9% $114.60
9 70 2.1% $48.40
10 60 0.9% $114.60
11 64 1.2% $81.20

WFRM Race 7
1 83 12.6% $7.90
2 100 54.5% $1.80
3 --- --- ---
4 --- --- ---
5 74 5.8% $17.20
6 --- --- ---
7 60 1.7% $57.50
8 70 4.1% $24.30
9 88 19.4% $5.20
10 61 1.9% $52.80

WFRM Race 8
1 72 2.2% $45.30
2 82 5.2% $19.10
3 63 1.0% $98.20
4 97 19.0% $5.30
5 92 12.4% $8.10
6 83 5.7% $17.60
7 64 1.1% $90.10
8 100 24.6% $4.10
9 96 17.4% $5.70
10 76 3.1% $32.10
11 86 7.4% $13.60
12 60 0.8% $127.20

FLEM Race 3
1 73 3.2% $31.20
2 75 3.8% $26.30
3 70 2.5% $40.50
4 100 32.7% $3.10
5 82 6.9% $14.40
6 86 9.8% $10.20
7 86 9.8% $10.20
8 65 1.6% $62.20
9 --- --- ---
10 67 1.9% $52.40
11 69 2.3% $44.10
12 60 1.0% $95.70
13 81 6.4% $15.70
14 65 1.6% $62.20
15 68 2.1% $48.10
16 85 9.0% $11.10
17 79 5.4% $18.60

FLEM Race 4
1 74 2.8% $35.10
2 61 0.9% $107.60
3 75 3.1% $32.20
4 99 24.5% $4.10
5 67 1.6% $64.20
6 61 0.9% $107.60
7 60 0.9% $117.20
8 74 2.8% $35.10
9 99 24.5% $4.10
10 100 26.7% $3.70
11 68 1.7% $58.90
12 88 9.5% $10.50

FLEM Race 6
1 70 2.8% $36.20
2 93 20.0% $5.00
3 69 2.5% $39.50
4 --- --- ---
5 78 5.5% $18.20
6 85 10.0% $10.00
7 88 13.0% $7.70
8 60 1.2% $85.60
9 70 2.8% $36.20
10 62 1.4% $72.10
11 100 36.6% $2.70
12 75 4.2% $23.50

FLEM Race 7
1 87 7.9% $12.60
2 92 12.2% $8.20
3 84 6.1% $16.40
4 79 4.0% $25.20
5 60 0.8% $129.30
6 73 2.4% $42.20
7 80 4.3% $23.10
8 100 24.2% $4.10
9 81 4.7% $21.20
10 90 10.2% $9.80
11 76 3.1% $32.60
12 71 2.0% $50.10
13 75 2.8% $35.50
14 71 2.0% $50.10
15 68 1.5% $64.90
16 66 1.3% $77.10
17 84 6.1% $16.40
18 73 2.4% $42.20
19 71 2.0% $50.10

FLEM Race 8
1 86 9.1% $11.00
2 60 1.0% $103.30
3 67 1.8% $56.50
4 91 14.0% $7.20
5 79 5.0% $20.10
6 100 30.3% $3.30
7 71 2.5% $40.10
8 66 1.6% $61.60
9 78 4.6% $21.90
10 69 2.1% $47.60
11 86 9.1% $11.00
12 65 1.5% $67.10
13 79 5.0% $20.10
14 81 5.9% $16.90
15 71 2.5% $40.10
16 77 4.2% $23.90

DOOM Race 1
1 88 12.7% $7.90
2 69 2.5% $40.30
3 100 35.8% $2.80
4 82 7.6% $13.20
5 72 3.2% $31.10
6 86 10.7% $9.30
7 87 11.7% $8.60
8 67 2.1% $47.90
9 84 9.0% $11.10
10 60 1.1% $87.50
11 73 3.5% $28.60

DOOM Race 2
1 100 33.9% $2.90
2 85 9.3% $10.70
3 95 22.1% $4.50
4 86 10.2% $9.80
5 92 17.0% $5.90
6 71 2.8% $35.80
7 60 1.1% $92.30
8 74 3.6% $27.70

DOOM Race 3
1 73 3.5% $28.80
2 72 3.2% $31.40
3 --- --- ---
4 100 35.5% $2.80
5 96 25.2% $4.00
6 88 12.6% $7.90
7 91 16.4% $6.10
8 60 1.1% $88.10
9 69 2.5% $40.60

DOOM Race 4
1 100 60.9% $1.60
2 62 2.3% $43.30
3 87 19.9% $5.00
4 79 10.0% $10.00
5 71 5.0% $20.00
6 --- --- ---
7 60 1.9% $51.40

DOOM Race 5
1 81 7.9% $12.70
2 83 9.3% $10.70
3 --- --- ---
4 72 3.6% $27.60
5 100 40.3% $2.50
6 75 4.7% $21.30
7 68 2.6% $39.00
8 91 18.6% $5.40
9 84 10.2% $9.80
10 62 1.5% $65.30
11 60 1.3% $77.60

DOOM Race 6
1 88 14.1% $7.10
2 67 2.3% $43.30
3 72 3.5% $28.20
4 74 4.2% $23.70
5 100 39.5% $2.50
6 60 1.3% $79.20
7 82 8.4% $11.90
8 64 1.8% $56.10
9 --- --- ---
10 90 16.7% $6.00
11 72 3.5% $28.20
12 --- --- ---
13 75 4.6% $21.80

DOOM Race 7
1 94 15.1% $6.60
2 68 1.6% $62.00
3 96 18.0% $5.60
4 77 3.5% $28.60
5 --- --- ---
6 87 8.3% $12.10
7 71 2.1% $47.90
8 78 3.8% $26.20
9 60 0.8% $123.50
10 88 9.0% $11.10
11 100 25.4% $3.90
12 64 1.1% $87.50
13 60 0.8% $123.50
14 82 5.4% $18.60
15 65 1.2% $80.30
16 78 3.8% $26.20

DOOM Race 8
1 --- --- ---
2 100 23.3% $4.30
3 100 23.3% $4.30
4 92 11.7% $8.50
5 84 5.9% $17.00
6 --- --- ---
7 --- --- ---
8 83 5.4% $18.50
9 86 7.0% $14.30
10 --- --- ---
11 95 15.2% $6.60
12 80 4.2% $24.00
13 77 3.2% $31.00
14 --- --- ---
15 60 0.7% $134.20

MORP Race 1
1 93 15.4% $6.50
2 100 28.1% $3.60
3 --- --- ---
4 97 21.7% $4.60
5 99 25.8% $3.90
6 84 7.1% $14.10
7 60 0.9% $111.50
8 62 1.1% $93.80

MORP Race 2
1 87 11.9% $8.40
2 78 5.5% $18.20
3 100 36.6% $2.70
4 76 4.6% $21.60
5 79 6.0% $16.70
6 86 11.0% $9.10
7 87 11.9% $8.40
8 85 10.1% $9.90
9 60 1.2% $85.60
10 --- --- ---
11 60 1.2% $85.60

MORP Race 4
1 97 25.9% $3.90
2 66 1.8% $55.80
3 --- --- ---
4 78 5.0% $19.80
5 72 3.0% $33.30
6 --- --- ---
7 90 14.2% $7.10
8 87 10.9% $9.10
9 77 4.6% $21.60
10 100 33.5% $3.00
11 60 1.1% $93.50

MORP Race 5
1 100 39.7% $2.50
2 77 5.5% $18.20
3 91 18.3% $5.50
4 --- --- ---
5 69 2.8% $36.30
6 --- --- ---
7 72 3.6% $28.00
8 60 1.3% $78.80
9 69 2.8% $36.30
10 82 8.4% $11.90
11 84 10.0% $10.00
12 70 3.0% $33.30
13 71 3.3% $30.60
14 61 1.4% $72.30

MORP Race 6
1 100 45.6% $2.20
2 68 2.9% $34.50
3 77 6.3% $15.90
4 --- --- ---
5 71 3.8% $26.70
6 75 5.3% $18.90
7 62 1.7% $57.90
8 76 5.8% $17.30
9 91 21.0% $4.80
10 77 6.3% $15.90
11 60 1.5% $68.70

MORP Race 7
1 81 6.2% $16.20
2 100 31.6% $3.20
3 83 7.3% $13.70
4 60 1.0% $98.90
5 86 9.5% $10.50
6 83 7.3% $13.70
7 95 20.6% $4.90
8 73 3.1% $32.30
9 90 13.4% $7.50

MORP Race 8
1 --- --- ---
2 --- --- ---
3 60 1.0% $96.10
4 74 3.5% $28.80
5 100 32.6% $3.10
6 --- --- ---
7 92 16.4% $6.10
8 88 11.6% $8.60
9 88 11.6% $8.60
10 80 5.8% $17.20
11 89 12.6% $7.90
12 78 4.9% $20.40

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Pixie

"It's worth remembering that profit isn't profit until it's spent off the racecourse." -- Crash