Well the other harness thread is turning into a little bit of a mess, so best to clear it up.

Now after some greatly appreciated suggestions and tips, i have been able to refine the system. Only pre-race odds between $3-$5 will be accepted as a selection.

If there is a horse lower than $3 which comes up as a selection then the race is excluded even if there is a selection between $3-$5

Rules: Must hvae won last start
Must have placed/won second last start
Between $3-$5 pre-race odds.

Here are results since 16/9/05 and im only backing them to win.

DATE Where Horse Place Returns
16/09/2005 Harold Park1 Kyalla Ess Ess unplaced
16/09/2005 MV4 Gooroc Gun 1st $2.60
16/09/2005 MV5 Ok Windermere unplaced
16/09/2005 MV7 Hi Ho Fitz 1st $3.00
18/09/2005 Bendigo5 Rasputin Lombo 1st $5.40
22/09/2005 Mooney Valley2 City Lane 2nd
22/09/2005 Mooney valley4 Miss Kellie 1st $10.50
23/09/2005 Harold Park3 Miss Alberta 1st $3.20
23/09/2005 Harold park4 Dominator Stride unplaced
23/09/2005 Harold Park8 Concorde 3rd
24/09/2005 Cranbourne6 Cullombo 2nd
24/09/2005 Albion Park2 Master Mittens 2nd
24/09/2005 Albion Park5 Dream Royale 1st $7.50
24/09/2005 Albion Park6 Battlers Prince 3rd
24/09/2005 Newcastle7 George Jetson 2nd
24/09/2005 Globe Derby4 Equity Jeb 1st $7.40
24/09/2005 Globe Derby5 Black Venom 1st $2.50
24/09/2005 Globe Derby7 Casey's Best unplaced
25/09/2005 Geelong8 Purple Passion unplaced
26/09/2005 Horsham7 Expensive Halter unplaced
27/09/2005 Albion Park9 Whiskyontherocks 1st $2.90
27/09/2005 Bendigo3 Figment unplaced
27/09/2005 Bendigo6 Cantafend 1st $6.90
28/09/2005 Mildura9 Lelepa 2nd
29/09/2005 Sheperton5 Albert Bird 2nd
30/09/2005 Yarra Valley7 Cam Rouge 1st $2.80
30/09/2005 Harold Park3 Miss Alberta unplaced
30/09/2005 Harold Park4 Hexus unplaced
30/09/2005 Harold Park7 Sunrise Bay 2nd
30/09/2005 MV4 Miss Kellie unplaced
30/09/2005 MV6 Robin Hood 1st $2.10
30/09/2005 MV7 Gooroc Gun 3rd


There are a few little tweaks and fixes to come. But im sticking with this for now, its more effecient.

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Some constructive comments:

1. Beware of refining the system too soon. i.e. too little data. What looks better now may not be the real picture after a few hundred bets.

2. Be cautious when your filter is price retrospectively with the trots. The pools are small and volatile, therefore what might have been $12.00 with a minute to go might be $5.00 at the jump, and you'll miss out.
Vice versa, what might be $3.10 might tumble into $2.20 or blow out to $6.00 and therfore you're betting on something you didn't intend on.

Very hard to assess the final stable price on trots, from the guy who tried it

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Im just talking about the odds that are given in the paper in the morning. IF the odds shorten or blow out it doesn't affect the selection, as if they are between $3-$5 in the morning paper then thats that.

Well it has been refined after 162 races which was a fair whack. Im still of course keeping tab on those selections under/over the $3-$5 mark just to see what eventuates.

Thanks for the comments though. Much appreciated.

Today's tips:

Geelong:
Race 5) #2
Race 6) #12
Race 8) #7

Albion Park:
Race 3) #2
Race 4) #3
Race 6) #1
Race 7) #1
Race 8) #6

Newcastle:
Race 5) #10
Race 6) #7
Race 7) #10
Race 9) #2

Globe Derby:
Race 2) #7
Race 4) #10
Race 6) #8

A whoping 15 selections.

Best Bets:

Geelong Race 6) #12
Albion park Race 3) #2
Albion park Race 7) #1
Globe Derby Race 2) #7

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Fair enough, the newspaper prices will suffice, I thought you were refining from TAB prices.

Good idea, still keep records and see how it fares.

Good luck.

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Yesterday's results:

1/10/2005 Geelong 5 By The Palms 2nd $1.50
1/10/2005 Geelong 6 Albee unplaced
1/10/2005 Geelong8 Jilliby Jordan 2nd $1.90
1/10/2005 Albion park3 Da Ji Opal 2nd $2.10
1/10/2005 Albion Park4 Whats the Question 2nd $1.90
1/10/2005 Albion Park6 Wholet Thegirlsout 1st $1.80 $1.60
1/10/2005 Albion Park7 Cecil Roy 2nd $1.60
1/10/2005 Albion Park8 Nickys Falcon 3rd $2.10
1/10/2005 Newcastle5 The Pentagon unplaced
1/10/2005 Newcastle6 Maradona 2nd $1.30
1/10/2005 Newcastle7 Terralong 2nd $2.10
1/10/2005 Newcastle9 Khans Tiger 1st $2.10 $1.60
1/10/2005 Globe Derby2 Just Another Hero unplaced
1/10/2005 Globe Derby4 Ohoka Teri 2nd $1.60
1/10/2005 Globe Derby6 Equity Jeb 1st $5.20 $1.60

I had 8 second placings, 8! Ahh frustration to the max.

Today's tips:

Terang:
Race 3) #4
Race 5) #3

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Oaksnaf, yes frusting it can be, but take heart in that you're usually thereabouts.
I find it really strange that there are no forums really dedicated to harness betting. There are forums that just post harness news, but no real discussion and no tips.

Anyhow, interesting to note that my two specials were in your tips:

1/10/2005 Albion Park6 Wholet Thegirlsout 1st $1.80 $1.60
1/10/2005 Albion Park7 Cecil Roy 2nd $1.60

Seems some sytems select the same horses for different reasons.

Happy Half-Carting

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Todays results:

2/10/2005 Terang3 Jacob Dee 1st $2.90 $1.30
2/10/2005 Terang5 Kaboda unplaced


Total:
Races: 49
Winners: 16
Placings (include winners): 35

Based on $1
Winning return: 68.8
Placing return: 58.4

So its plodding along quite nicely actually for such a simple system.

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Only one race today at Maryborough:
Race 8) #5

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was unplaced.

But yes it is odd but totaly understandable that 95% of the discussions are aimed at the gallops, but i would have thought on the official harness racing site they would have a free forum open to the public.

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Hey Chrome ive been recording each race results from the paper odds in the morning, and what the winner of the race was at on the form odds.

its early days, but ive done 55 races so far: Ill want to get to 200-500 before i get a valuable result.


FAV 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Over 5th Total
Winners 28 10 6 7 4 55

FAV
$52.24
2nd
$41.60
3rd
$34.40
4th
$76.40
5th
$48.60

Based on $1 investment.

So it seems, no matter what the field size a large % of winners come from the top 5 pre-race odds (paper form odds).

And the largest pre-race odd winner was at $11 so far. But plenty of races to go, and im sure that will change.

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